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By: Can we just get along? China/USA relation lecture - The diary of Jakob Knulp

Can we just get along? China/USA relation lecture - The diary of Jakob Knulp — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 03:05:59 +0000

[...] in an interesting lecture about china US relations. Read the article here. Here the [...]

By: Rednecks, Red Guards & trolls: Kaiser Kuo on US-China online | CNReviews

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:59:20 +0000

[...] the same themes (I will link to it when it is available). Bob Page, at The Mercury Brief, did an exceptional job summarizing the speech. The post, and the speech was picked up by numerous esteemed China blogs including China Herald, [...]

By: Bob Page

Bob Page — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:02:18 +0000

Gmoke,
I agree completely. The link in this article on the human flesh search engines connects to Rebecca MacKinnon work on tribes of the Chinese Internet.
Bob Page

By: gmoke

gmoke — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:04:23 +0000

Rebecca McKinnon of Global Voices and the University of Hong Kong is another source to look at the use of the Internet in China. She is a former CNN reporter who has now become an academic. Seen her present a couple of times when she was at Harvard Law School’s Berkman Center and last year when she came back for a visit to talk about how the Chinese navigate around online censorship.

By: The Internet in China

The Internet in China — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:46:51 +0000

[...] – takes a long time to buffer) but worth the time. A description of the talk can be found here. This entry was posted in Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink. Post a comment or leave a [...]

By: ChinaGeeks » Discussion Section: Western Fenqing?

ChinaGeeks » Discussion Section: Western Fenqing? — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:32:05 +0000

[...] few places around the China blog community have linked Bob Page’s excellent article “Are online relationships between China and the US boiling over? Rednecks against Red Guards?“, which is itself a response to Kaiser Kuo’s excellent lecture at UNL, “Shouting [...]

By: Bob Page

Bob Page — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:30:34 +0000

FOARP,
this article is a summary of Kaiser Kuo’s speech, which addresses most of the points you raise here. It’s worth listening to. Thank you for your observations.
Bob Page

By: Chen Xiangming

Chen Xiangming — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:24:58 +0000

America’s relationship with China is not one between equals. Simply put, China is an awful mess. If Americans woke up tomorrow to find that the U.S. and China had somehow switched places, we’d commit collective suicide. Sixty years after the founding of the P.R.C and thirty years after “Opening and Reform,” China still ranks just 133rd in the world in per capita GDP. In real exchange terms, China’s economy is just US$4.4 trillion, while the combined economies of the U.S. and EU measure in at more than US$33 trillion. All this talk about the China saving the world economy is complete nonsense – the Chinese will be very lucky to save just themselves. For every Chinese person who earns more than US$10,000 (~150 million) per year, there are approximately three (~400 to 500 million) who live on US$2 per day or less. The most inclusive estimates regarding the size of China’s middle class suggest that as many as 400 million Chinese have been lifted from poverty during the past thirty years -meaning that nearly a billion of their compatriots are still very poor. (Truth be told, most of China’s middle class would be considered poor by Western standards. Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen are simply not representative.)

I like Kaiser and agree with some of what he says (American’s often demonstrate a disappointing ignorance regarding China). It’s true that the Western press gets China wrong more often than it should. Even so, the Chinese media’s treatment of the West – and America in particular – is not simply wrong, it’s purposefully misleading and laughably Sino-centric. One need only read a week’s worth of headlines from the Chinese version of the Global Times to understand the degree to which average Chinese are “prepared” by the Ministry of Propaganda to dislike, distrust, and disrespect the collective West. Fox News could learn much from the spin doctors of the People’s Republic. In short, China suffers from decades of poor education, patriotic indoctrination, profound and widespread xenophobia, gut wrenching poverty, the lack of speech and media freedoms, and a government that is increasingly paranoid and suspicious of the Chinese people.

Don’t fear China. Don’t envy China.

By: FOARP

FOARP — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:52:44 +0000

Great, however it seems to assume that:

1) A lot of the opinions you read online aren’t the result of a concerted campaign of political indoctrination by the Chinese government – anyone with any experience of the Chinese education system and media can tell you that government political indoctrination and propaganda, unchallenged by independent voices, are a definite factor in opinion forming in China.

2) ‘Western’ is synonymous with ‘American’ – the truth is that the majority of westerners in China right now are not American, even though they are often addressed as such by Chinese.

3) That people who think of China as a corrupt single-party dictatorship are somehow stuck in a time-warp – anyone with any experience of the Chinese government can tell you that that is exactly what they are.

By: uberVU - social comments

uberVU - social comments — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:03:09 +0000

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